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	<title>Comments on: A foreigner&#8217;s Chinese Post Secret</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://chinahopelive.net/2008/08/24/a-foreigners-chinese-post-secret/comment-page-1#comment-2458</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sometimes when people meet me after we talk on the phone, they tell me that they thought I was Chinese.&quot;

Very, interesting, Micah. 
Anway, who can tell what citizenship, race, nationality, ethnic group, or state of being someone is over the phone or through the internet? This difficult to do in person as well.

Being something and apearing to be something are not one and the same.

Yet, your point about about the term &quot;chinese&quot; being construable(or any other term for that matter) is well worth pondering.</description>
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<p>Very, interesting, Micah.<br />
Anway, who can tell what citizenship, race, nationality, ethnic group, or state of being someone is over the phone or through the internet? This difficult to do in person as well.</p>
<p>Being something and apearing to be something are not one and the same.</p>
<p>Yet, your point about about the term &#8220;chinese&#8221; being construable(or any other term for that matter) is well worth pondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I agree it&#039;s complicated.  Not only does &quot;Chinese&quot; mean different things in different contexts, but often means different things to different people in the same context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I agree it&#8217;s complicated.  Not only does &#8220;Chinese&#8221; mean different things in different contexts, but often means different things to different people in the same context.</p>
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		<title>By: A-gu</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-gu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously a complicated topic. Good post on it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously a complicated topic. Good post on it though.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah Sittig</title>
		<link>http://chinahopelive.net/2008/08/24/a-foreigners-chinese-post-secret/comment-page-1#comment-2443</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Sittig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes when people meet me after we talk on the phone, they tell me that they thought I was Chinese.  Does this mean that &quot;being Chinese&quot; means different things in different contexts?  Yes, I think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes when people meet me after we talk on the phone, they tell me that they thought I was Chinese.  Does this mean that &#8220;being Chinese&#8221; means different things in different contexts?  Yes, I think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The style of the picture and the way the lady dressed and made-up, I would suspect it is a picture printed before 1949, when the standard Chinese characters, not the simplified ones, were standard.  And I think it is a picture printed in Shanghai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The style of the picture and the way the lady dressed and made-up, I would suspect it is a picture printed before 1949, when the standard Chinese characters, not the simplified ones, were standard.  And I think it is a picture printed in Shanghai.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;“&lt;em&gt;Chinese” is not just a national and cultural category; it’s also racial category, and the line between insider and outsider is well-defined, constantly reinforced, and passionately defended, especially on the Mainland.
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

I hear you and I think I can understand this concept a little bit. In Japan the character 人 (jin)/(hito) is used for both for  race and nationality in non-academic settings. As a result of that I have come across a few people who seriously believe that  citizenship and race are one and the same. While this may be generally true for countries like China, Japan, and Korea it is certainly not true of everyone in those countries nor is it true of countries that started off as being immigrant countries like American and Canada. Then again, I can understand that their world view was formed living in a country where most people are believed to be of the same race, language, and culture and where those may be considered by many to be proof of citizenship.  
  In one of my classes I told them that one of  favorite American singers is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utada_Hikaru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Utada Hikaru&lt;/a&gt; (who is American both by birth in the country and by her own choice at the age of 18). The majority of my class thought I was joking, and the rest thought I was confused. Even after I explained to them the situation they still had a hard time accepting the idea that someone with Japanese mother, father, the ability to speak and sing in perfect Japanese could accualty be a forienger（&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; 外人or 外国人&lt;/a&gt;）.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>“<em>Chinese” is not just a national and cultural category; it’s also racial category, and the line between insider and outsider is well-defined, constantly reinforced, and passionately defended, especially on the Mainland.<br />
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<p>I hear you and I think I can understand this concept a little bit. In Japan the character 人 (jin)/(hito) is used for both for  race and nationality in non-academic settings. As a result of that I have come across a few people who seriously believe that  citizenship and race are one and the same. While this may be generally true for countries like China, Japan, and Korea it is certainly not true of everyone in those countries nor is it true of countries that started off as being immigrant countries like American and Canada. Then again, I can understand that their world view was formed living in a country where most people are believed to be of the same race, language, and culture and where those may be considered by many to be proof of citizenship.<br />
  In one of my classes I told them that one of  favorite American singers is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utada_Hikaru" rel="nofollow">Utada Hikaru</a> (who is American both by birth in the country and by her own choice at the age of 18). The majority of my class thought I was joking, and the rest thought I was confused. Even after I explained to them the situation they still had a hard time accepting the idea that someone with Japanese mother, father, the ability to speak and sing in perfect Japanese could accualty be a forienger（<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin" rel="nofollow"> 外人or 外国人</a>）.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that is pretty likely, now that you mention it.  Or an ABC.

I didn&#039;t know that they still favoured traditional characters in the U.S.  Makes sense, I guess.

&quot;Foreigner&quot; here could include overseas Chinese or overseas-born Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that is pretty likely, now that you mention it.  Or an ABC.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that they still favoured traditional characters in the U.S.  Makes sense, I guess.</p>
<p>&#8220;Foreigner&#8221; here could include overseas Chinese or overseas-born Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d guess 华侨 - Chinese education in the US still favors traditional characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d guess 华侨 &#8211; Chinese education in the US still favors traditional characters.</p>
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