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	<title>Comments on: National &#8216;Face&#8217; &amp; Local Sensitivity (Part 2): One hour of criticism on the &#8220;Regular Zhou&#8221; column &amp; Tianjin Olympic interviews video</title>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I wasn&#039;t aware that that had been done.

Is it really so different from the various movements at US national parks and national historic sites to either reconstruct things or preserve them in the state they are currently in?  I know of a couple of places in the US SW where old Anasazi ruins were rebuilt by the park service a few decades ago and then either abandoned or destroyed since the 90s.  There&#039;s also places like Colonial Williamsburg that were rebuilt to present tourists with an idealized 18th century town compared to Historic Jamestowne which presents tourists with what&#039;s essentially an archeological dig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I wasn&#8217;t aware that that had been done.</p>
<p>Is it really so different from the various movements at US national parks and national historic sites to either reconstruct things or preserve them in the state they are currently in?  I know of a couple of places in the US SW where old Anasazi ruins were rebuilt by the park service a few decades ago and then either abandoned or destroyed since the 90s.  There&#8217;s also places like Colonial Williamsburg that were rebuilt to present tourists with an idealized 18th century town compared to Historic Jamestowne which presents tourists with what&#8217;s essentially an archeological dig.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure that prettifying older American downtown buildings and what the Chinese do to the Great Wall is an appropriate comparison.

At least to me, a bad restoration job on an older downtown building feels different from, say, the Egyptians dismantling the pyramids so they could use the materials to rebuild less crumbly-looking ones, or Italians cementing a plastic, imitation-marble facade over the surface of the Coliseum so tourists can see &#039;how it really looked.&#039;  Yet in China, there&#039;s a city that dismantled the nearby portion of the Great Wall so that they could use the bricks to build an imitation of the Badaling section (the most famous section of Wall near Beijing), which they then present to tourists as a piece of China&#039;s history and cultural heritage.  The assumption, apparently, was that tourists would prefer the rebuild over the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that prettifying older American downtown buildings and what the Chinese do to the Great Wall is an appropriate comparison.</p>
<p>At least to me, a bad restoration job on an older downtown building feels different from, say, the Egyptians dismantling the pyramids so they could use the materials to rebuild less crumbly-looking ones, or Italians cementing a plastic, imitation-marble facade over the surface of the Coliseum so tourists can see &#8216;how it really looked.&#8217;  Yet in China, there&#8217;s a city that dismantled the nearby portion of the Great Wall so that they could use the bricks to build an imitation of the Badaling section (the most famous section of Wall near Beijing), which they then present to tourists as a piece of China&#8217;s history and cultural heritage.  The assumption, apparently, was that tourists would prefer the rebuild over the original.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://chinahopelive.net/2008/09/07/national-face-local-sensitivity-part-2-one-hour-of-criticism-on-the-regular-zhou-and-tianjin-olympic-interviews-video/comment-page-1#comment-5120</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To comment on the example of the Great Wall in complaint 2, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s accurate to attribute it to cultural differences.
Having worked a bit with a historic downtown organization in the U.S., I&#039;ve learned that tastes as to &quot;authentic&quot; vs &quot;prettified&quot; shift back and forth a lot.  In the U.S., the older buildings have gone back and forth between original facades, sheet metal slipcovers, and &quot;restorations&quot; over the decades.
I&#039;d expect similar changes in tastes to happen in China too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To comment on the example of the Great Wall in complaint 2, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s accurate to attribute it to cultural differences.<br />
Having worked a bit with a historic downtown organization in the U.S., I&#8217;ve learned that tastes as to &#8220;authentic&#8221; vs &#8220;prettified&#8221; shift back and forth a lot.  In the U.S., the older buildings have gone back and forth between original facades, sheet metal slipcovers, and &#8220;restorations&#8221; over the decades.<br />
I&#8217;d expect similar changes in tastes to happen in China too.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of their students are prolific writers.  This is a free expat magazine, which is fine, but that means the writing quality is that of whoever they can scrounge up from the local international community (like me). It also means that it&#039;s ghettoized, since it only serves a relatively small niche market.  Nothing really wrong with all that, and I&#039;m thankful for the opportunity - I just wouldn&#039;t call it prolific.

Maybe it&#039;s because these nations are so similar that they don&#039;t get along... I&#039;m thinking Confucian heritage/influence, in which publicly saying &quot;sorry&quot; isn&#039;t very easy.  That reminds me, the guys that worked with the international students at my former school once mentioned that the ones from your country often had the hardest time fitting in, apparently due to their relatively stronger group cohesiveness/identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of their students are prolific writers.  This is a free expat magazine, which is fine, but that means the writing quality is that of whoever they can scrounge up from the local international community (like me). It also means that it&#8217;s ghettoized, since it only serves a relatively small niche market.  Nothing really wrong with all that, and I&#8217;m thankful for the opportunity &#8211; I just wouldn&#8217;t call it prolific.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because these nations are so similar that they don&#8217;t get along&#8230; I&#8217;m thinking Confucian heritage/influence, in which publicly saying &#8220;sorry&#8221; isn&#8217;t very easy.  That reminds me, the guys that worked with the international students at my former school once mentioned that the ones from your country often had the hardest time fitting in, apparently due to their relatively stronger group cohesiveness/identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They’ve been dealing with ignorant and insensitive foreign students for years; I don’t think any of them would lose sleep over something like this.&quot;

Good point, but then again how many of their students have been prolific writers and in the media as well?


After, reading your blog I really do believe that China and the place I am living in have so much in common, it is hard to understand why they don&#039;t always get each other.  Both China, and this country have an inferority complex, feel that everyone has done them wrong, worry about public relations(saving face), edit text books, and help the media to make right choices.  

         Write you later,
                     Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’ve been dealing with ignorant and insensitive foreign students for years; I don’t think any of them would lose sleep over something like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point, but then again how many of their students have been prolific writers and in the media as well?</p>
<p>After, reading your blog I really do believe that China and the place I am living in have so much in common, it is hard to understand why they don&#8217;t always get each other.  Both China, and this country have an inferority complex, feel that everyone has done them wrong, worry about public relations(saving face), edit text books, and help the media to make right choices.  </p>
<p>         Write you later,<br />
                     Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that concern for me was part of it.  And I also wondered if she&#039;d been designated by some other teachers to deliver the message, but I don&#039;t want to make this seem like it&#039;s *so* important to them.  They&#039;ve been dealing with ignorant and insensitive foreign students for years; I don&#039;t think any of them would lose sleep over something like this. ;)

Often this kind of criticism (from teachers to students, parents to kids), even though it can be pretty harsh and negative by North American standards (much harsher than what I experienced here), is actually expression of care and concern in China.  She wasn&#039;t out of line with me at all; it was her specific reasons that I thought were interesting.

The high degree of sensitivity to China&#039;s image in foreign eyes isn&#039;t as interesting, but I think it&#039;s also worth noting simply because over the last few months it&#039;s been a significant and unavoidable part of our experience here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that concern for me was part of it.  And I also wondered if she&#8217;d been designated by some other teachers to deliver the message, but I don&#8217;t want to make this seem like it&#8217;s *so* important to them.  They&#8217;ve been dealing with ignorant and insensitive foreign students for years; I don&#8217;t think any of them would lose sleep over something like this. ;)</p>
<p>Often this kind of criticism (from teachers to students, parents to kids), even though it can be pretty harsh and negative by North American standards (much harsher than what I experienced here), is actually expression of care and concern in China.  She wasn&#8217;t out of line with me at all; it was her specific reasons that I thought were interesting.</p>
<p>The high degree of sensitivity to China&#8217;s image in foreign eyes isn&#8217;t as interesting, but I think it&#8217;s also worth noting simply because over the last few months it&#8217;s been a significant and unavoidable part of our experience here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Looking back, I think the real complaint underneath it all is that she didn’t like the view of China that my articles give to foreigners.&quot;

Or She might have been concerned about you.
You by virtue of being her student may some how be her responsibility(at least in her mind) and what you do and say in Chinese media might reflect either good or badly on her and the school as a whole(In her mind). Some people at the school may have asked her to talk to you, or they may have been upset at her for not in their, opinion, training you right.
                Or
They may personal be concerned about you and are worried if don&#039;t like China. 

I think is very clear that you and many others love China and as someone who loves China would like to see it get even better. But, just as you found your teacher&#039;s opinions to be shocking she might find your work to be so as well.

I am up to late! So please ignore my rambeling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Looking back, I think the real complaint underneath it all is that she didn’t like the view of China that my articles give to foreigners.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or She might have been concerned about you.<br />
You by virtue of being her student may some how be her responsibility(at least in her mind) and what you do and say in Chinese media might reflect either good or badly on her and the school as a whole(In her mind). Some people at the school may have asked her to talk to you, or they may have been upset at her for not in their, opinion, training you right.<br />
                Or<br />
They may personal be concerned about you and are worried if don&#8217;t like China. </p>
<p>I think is very clear that you and many others love China and as someone who loves China would like to see it get even better. But, just as you found your teacher&#8217;s opinions to be shocking she might find your work to be so as well.</p>
<p>I am up to late! So please ignore my rambeling</p>
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