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	<title>Comments on: Mainlanders and their past; Mainlanders and their selves &#8212; from China Witness by Xinran</title>
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		<title>By: Yaxue C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaxue C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 02:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, I will have a new post up in Tom&#039;s blog this weekend about China&#039;s vanishing memories. 

By the way, nice &quot;extra&quot; work in the movie. You all look pretty real to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, I will have a new post up in Tom&#8217;s blog this weekend about China&#8217;s vanishing memories. </p>
<p>By the way, nice &#8220;extra&#8221; work in the movie. You all look pretty real to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel 大江</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel 大江</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaxue, 

I just read this in &lt;em&gt;Factory Girls&lt;/em&gt; [p.126], where the Chinese American author talks about trying to discover her family history from her relatives in China:&lt;blockquote&gt;A few were trying to make sense of the past, but most were not... it hurt less to let it go.

My relatives did not like telling their own stories. They often began by insisting they had nothing to say... Not one of them, it seemed to me, had faith that their memories mattered... Perhaps in a world where so many peple had suffered, one person&#039;s story did not matter. Suffering only made you more like everyone else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;By the way, thanks for including the Chinese vocab in your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaxue, </p>
<p>I just read this in <em>Factory Girls</em> [p.126], where the Chinese American author talks about trying to discover her family history from her relatives in China:<br />
<blockquote>A few were trying to make sense of the past, but most were not&#8230; it hurt less to let it go.</p>
<p>My relatives did not like telling their own stories. They often began by insisting they had nothing to say&#8230; Not one of them, it seemed to me, had faith that their memories mattered&#8230; Perhaps in a world where so many peple had suffered, one person&#8217;s story did not matter. Suffering only made you more like everyone else.</p></blockquote>
<p>By the way, thanks for including the Chinese vocab in your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Sascha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sascha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 04:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Joel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Joel</p>
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		<title>By: Yaxue C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaxue C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Joel, 99.9% of them have been doing what you said--pushing those memories away. Several things are at work here: First of all, they are poorly equipped to reflect on the past. They don&#039;t have the necessary framework of values to measure their experience with, although as fellow human beings, their sense of brutality and injustice is just like yours and mine. I have known people who, while not denying the sufferings they have gone through, were happy to &quot;come back to the boat&quot; and became ardent defenders of the Party and its ideology. They seem to be unable to do what seems to you and me the most basic thing: to call what it is what it is. Primo Levy, the Italian writer who wrote about his experices in the Nazi concentration camp said (to the effect), not everyone who lived it can be a true witness of it. Same in China. When some of them do, they often can&#039;t provide an account of their own experiences that satisfies your sense of truth and depth. 

Secondly, the fear factor. The party has made it clear that it doesn&#039;t welcome such reflection, and has been routinely censoring publications about the 1950s and the Cultural Revolution. So people are afraid and don&#039;t feel free to talk about their past at all for fearing consequences. Keep in mind that a lot of the rightists, for example, suffered 20 years, the best part of their lives, for speaking something very trivial, and you can imagine how fearful they are now to speak their mind. I can readily recall a few of these figures I know, how withdrawn they were when they were finally &quot;free.&quot; It is heartbreaking, Joel. 

Third, the shame factor. Primo Levy wrote about this too, and I also find traces of it in people I came across. Somehow, and somewhere in the back of their consciousness, they feel they brought this on themselves, and it was their own fault. I once heard one man cursing himself, &quot;我是一个孽种！&quot; (I was condemned!)

An entire generation of people has chosen to keep silent, a bigger part of it has already gone and the rest is dying out. 

I have in my possession a stack of letters written by a man who was a victim of 肃反 （a purge in 1955) in the last years of his life. He said he had no particular desire to write about his past, the reason being, &quot;What&#039;s the use?&quot; In all of these letters, he went great length to do to justify to himself why he should not feel bitter over this bitter past of his. He reckoned that, even 刘少奇 (Liu Shaoqi) and so many big people suffered and suffered worse fate, let alone me; and it is the law that &quot;revolution eats its own children.&quot; Then his thoughts took flight to history, to the universe, to semi-philosophical musing (party-style) on how inconsequential an individual life is, etc. All I can say is that he didn&#039;t succeed very well to convince himself, becase he kept coming back to it over and over again. 

He was a retired journalist of Xinhua News Agency. If this was his situation, imagine others&#039;. And he died last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Joel, 99.9% of them have been doing what you said&#8211;pushing those memories away. Several things are at work here: First of all, they are poorly equipped to reflect on the past. They don&#8217;t have the necessary framework of values to measure their experience with, although as fellow human beings, their sense of brutality and injustice is just like yours and mine. I have known people who, while not denying the sufferings they have gone through, were happy to &#8220;come back to the boat&#8221; and became ardent defenders of the Party and its ideology. They seem to be unable to do what seems to you and me the most basic thing: to call what it is what it is. Primo Levy, the Italian writer who wrote about his experices in the Nazi concentration camp said (to the effect), not everyone who lived it can be a true witness of it. Same in China. When some of them do, they often can&#8217;t provide an account of their own experiences that satisfies your sense of truth and depth. </p>
<p>Secondly, the fear factor. The party has made it clear that it doesn&#8217;t welcome such reflection, and has been routinely censoring publications about the 1950s and the Cultural Revolution. So people are afraid and don&#8217;t feel free to talk about their past at all for fearing consequences. Keep in mind that a lot of the rightists, for example, suffered 20 years, the best part of their lives, for speaking something very trivial, and you can imagine how fearful they are now to speak their mind. I can readily recall a few of these figures I know, how withdrawn they were when they were finally &#8220;free.&#8221; It is heartbreaking, Joel. </p>
<p>Third, the shame factor. Primo Levy wrote about this too, and I also find traces of it in people I came across. Somehow, and somewhere in the back of their consciousness, they feel they brought this on themselves, and it was their own fault. I once heard one man cursing himself, &#8220;我是一个孽种！&#8221; (I was condemned!)</p>
<p>An entire generation of people has chosen to keep silent, a bigger part of it has already gone and the rest is dying out. </p>
<p>I have in my possession a stack of letters written by a man who was a victim of 肃反 （a purge in 1955) in the last years of his life. He said he had no particular desire to write about his past, the reason being, &#8220;What&#8217;s the use?&#8221; In all of these letters, he went great length to do to justify to himself why he should not feel bitter over this bitter past of his. He reckoned that, even 刘少奇 (Liu Shaoqi) and so many big people suffered and suffered worse fate, let alone me; and it is the law that &#8220;revolution eats its own children.&#8221; Then his thoughts took flight to history, to the universe, to semi-philosophical musing (party-style) on how inconsequential an individual life is, etc. All I can say is that he didn&#8217;t succeed very well to convince himself, becase he kept coming back to it over and over again. </p>
<p>He was a retired journalist of Xinhua News Agency. If this was his situation, imagine others&#8217;. And he died last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel 大江</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel 大江</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Yaxue.  Glad you like it! I&#039;ll be looking for your post.

Another thing I wonder about this generation is how they&#039;ve handled their memories from the Mao era. If they&#039;ve spent the last several decades pushing those memories away rather than thinking over them and sorting them out, articulating them at least to themselves in their own mind, they maybe just don&#039;t have much to say about it all at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Yaxue.  Glad you like it! I&#8217;ll be looking for your post.</p>
<p>Another thing I wonder about this generation is how they&#8217;ve handled their memories from the Mao era. If they&#8217;ve spent the last several decades pushing those memories away rather than thinking over them and sorting them out, articulating them at least to themselves in their own mind, they maybe just don&#8217;t have much to say about it all at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaxue C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaxue C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, I haven&#039;t had a chance to read this book, but I have experienced similar difficulties when trying to get people to tell their stories or stories of people they know. I think I am going to write a post about this on Tom&#039;s blog. Thanks for your thoughtful posts--I enjoy them a lot but I am only beginning to &quot;mine&quot; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, I haven&#8217;t had a chance to read this book, but I have experienced similar difficulties when trying to get people to tell their stories or stories of people they know. I think I am going to write a post about this on Tom&#8217;s blog. Thanks for your thoughtful posts&#8211;I enjoy them a lot but I am only beginning to &#8220;mine&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very true, and I also love stories of the older generations. Thankfully, I am blessed with a mother who loves to tell me tales, and she is blessed with a daughter who loves to hear her tales. Not all are so willing to share, and even fewer are willing to listen these days. Sigh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very true, and I also love stories of the older generations. Thankfully, I am blessed with a mother who loves to tell me tales, and she is blessed with a daughter who loves to hear her tales. Not all are so willing to share, and even fewer are willing to listen these days. Sigh&#8230;</p>
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